I wish you would stop doing product reviews. Stick with tactics and overcoming church issues. For you condemn the P320 is extremely unprofessional. This is a ministry not an opinion on products.
I wish you would stop doing product reviews. Stick with tactics and overcoming church issues. For you condemn the P320 is extremely unprofessional. This is a ministry not an opinion on products.
Robert, with all do respect then you don't see the criticality of the issue at hand with the P320 and the design of the FCU. Go study it and some of the incidents. If not taken seriously you or the safety team, or your church could be sued if you allowed continued use. SIG has a huge mess on their hands with the P320. All other SIG platforms are good to go IMO.
I disagree, this has been researched, proven in court that the issue is with reholstering and or an obstruction in holsters. Instructors, which I am a TCOLE Firearms Instructor, should not teach to reholster without looking at their holster. Instead, re holster reluctantly, and viewing your holster. It is common to get things in your holster and causing a negligent discharge. The Sig P 320 does not magically fire without a trigger pull. Sig Sauer has won each case that has been brought to litigation. Texas DPS, US Army and my own agency has approved the weapon for on duty use. Here’s my final thought, you carry what you want, my hope is you’re training proficiently with whatever platform you are using. But quit blaming the gun unless you can prove otherwise with facts. In all the arguments I have seen the only legitimate argument is the holster. Have a nice day!!
Robert, I'm a certified instructor also and have repeated "slowly and deliberately, reholster" a thousand times at least. I can't and won't argue that point.
But the rest... we will simply agree to disagree. See my post below with 2 uncommanded discharges that SIG, you or I can't fully explain. But they did happen without the trigger being pulled.
Not a product review, it's a serious safety concern. Please do research. I was skeptical, my first issued weapon was a 229, I really like my 365. The Montville PD Lobby incident is what sealed it for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSAI_HUZDI0
I would love any context you have. Sig just blamed holsters but provided no further evidence. That's also not the only incident, you have cops medically retired from a 320 going off in the holster and Sig has labeled them "anti-gun shills". That's a bold move when they have no proof it wasn't their gun that was not drop safe when they sold it to the US Military. Honestly though, if you have further proof, info, context, please share it.
What proof would accept? You clearly won't listen to SIG. Why would you listen to me? You're mind is already made up based on zero evidence which is indicative to me of SDS.
Trigger moved to the rear and the gun fired as designed. Why did it move to the rear? Because of a fault with that shitty Serpa style button lock retention device. Guns, gear and girls....you get what you pay for.
Yes, regarding the Youtube video by the self proclaimed master. Sure, purposely induced failures using altered non-SIG OEM parts, filthy gun, etc. dude was able to induce a failure. Am I surprised by that? No more surprised than if it had been a Glock or a 1911 or a Smith or an AR style rifle. FA doing stupid things and FO for sure. It would have been a far better and relevant video if he had used a post-upgrade gun with SIG parts that were relatively clean and lubricated properly. But as the master there even noted, his video is pretty meaningless and is a statistical example of exactly ONE wherein altered parts, filthy internal conditions and induced external conditions that were designed to cause the gun to fire "uncommanded". A yawner.
Keith, I've been following this issue since about 2017. It is definitely a serious problem. SIG makes great weapons but the P320 is not a safe handgun to carry. Hopefully they get the issue resolved. Thank you for your diligence and keeping us informed.
I wish you would stop doing product reviews. Stick with tactics and overcoming church issues. For you condemn the P320 is extremely unprofessional. This is a ministry not an opinion on products.
Robert, with all do respect then you don't see the criticality of the issue at hand with the P320 and the design of the FCU. Go study it and some of the incidents. If not taken seriously you or the safety team, or your church could be sued if you allowed continued use. SIG has a huge mess on their hands with the P320. All other SIG platforms are good to go IMO.
Sorry Steve, you are dead wrong. The 320 is as safe as any other firearm and in fact safer than a lot of them.
I disagree, this has been researched, proven in court that the issue is with reholstering and or an obstruction in holsters. Instructors, which I am a TCOLE Firearms Instructor, should not teach to reholster without looking at their holster. Instead, re holster reluctantly, and viewing your holster. It is common to get things in your holster and causing a negligent discharge. The Sig P 320 does not magically fire without a trigger pull. Sig Sauer has won each case that has been brought to litigation. Texas DPS, US Army and my own agency has approved the weapon for on duty use. Here’s my final thought, you carry what you want, my hope is you’re training proficiently with whatever platform you are using. But quit blaming the gun unless you can prove otherwise with facts. In all the arguments I have seen the only legitimate argument is the holster. Have a nice day!!
Robert, I'm a certified instructor also and have repeated "slowly and deliberately, reholster" a thousand times at least. I can't and won't argue that point.
But the rest... we will simply agree to disagree. See my post below with 2 uncommanded discharges that SIG, you or I can't fully explain. But they did happen without the trigger being pulled.
You have a nice day also.
in HIS Service
Wrong. The trigger WAS pulled.
LW, you are absolutely correct. Have a nice day.
Absolutely. Thank you. May you as well.
Not a product review, it's a serious safety concern. Please do research. I was skeptical, my first issued weapon was a 229, I really like my 365. The Montville PD Lobby incident is what sealed it for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSAI_HUZDI0
And Seamus, you have absolutely ZERO context about what happened before that video or after. None. That short snippet of video does NOT tell the tale.
I would love any context you have. Sig just blamed holsters but provided no further evidence. That's also not the only incident, you have cops medically retired from a 320 going off in the holster and Sig has labeled them "anti-gun shills". That's a bold move when they have no proof it wasn't their gun that was not drop safe when they sold it to the US Military. Honestly though, if you have further proof, info, context, please share it.
What proof would accept? You clearly won't listen to SIG. Why would you listen to me? You're mind is already made up based on zero evidence which is indicative to me of SDS.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O1v9WaXg0eQ
Trigger moved to the rear and the gun fired as designed. Why did it move to the rear? Because of a fault with that shitty Serpa style button lock retention device. Guns, gear and girls....you get what you pay for.
https://youtu.be/1b_Up5Ste9c
Yes, regarding the Youtube video by the self proclaimed master. Sure, purposely induced failures using altered non-SIG OEM parts, filthy gun, etc. dude was able to induce a failure. Am I surprised by that? No more surprised than if it had been a Glock or a 1911 or a Smith or an AR style rifle. FA doing stupid things and FO for sure. It would have been a far better and relevant video if he had used a post-upgrade gun with SIG parts that were relatively clean and lubricated properly. But as the master there even noted, his video is pretty meaningless and is a statistical example of exactly ONE wherein altered parts, filthy internal conditions and induced external conditions that were designed to cause the gun to fire "uncommanded". A yawner.
Keith, I've been following this issue since about 2017. It is definitely a serious problem. SIG makes great weapons but the P320 is not a safe handgun to carry. Hopefully they get the issue resolved. Thank you for your diligence and keeping us informed.
Robert, the 320 is perfectly safe. What is not safe are some of the humans that are mishandling them.