Newly released video shows a Pasadena police officer shooting a fellow officer in the shoulder during horseplay with loaded firearms, and church security teams need to pay attention.
I'm so grateful for this article. It's sobering and much needed. The way you wrote it is so instructive as well as cautionary. God bless you tons! 🙏🏼❤️
Hey Keith thanks for this article 👌🏼 good stuff and the admonition to church security people. I really appreciate your work in this ministry - I was a LEO many years ago- these days I train LE Chaplains and critical response chaplains - and pastor a church . 40yrs of ministry -I need to up my level subscription. You’re doing great work Thank You - 🙏🏼 much appreciated
Same goes for children at home. Guns are not toys! And dry-fire practice is as risky as anything. ALWAYS have a safe backstop, along with all other precautions.
I was an AI for SWAT training that some newer members of Pasadena swat attended. While young and green they conducted themselves professionally. With that said the two ofc who were mentioned should be terminated. Their conduct was not just poor judgement it was reckless and demonstrated a lack of judgment and knowledge. The standard is the standard for the reason. I’m sure this is not the first incident. In fact I personally know of an incident like this that occurred at a Sheriff’s office in Southern California. However, this particular incident occurred between SWAT team members. They had been conducting sims training within a shoot House. The team leader had to depart for a while, and upon return stated that he had downloaded all his live ammunition himself. However, the RSO for the shoot House did not confirm this. The team leader and other members then began quick drawing on each other and shooting sims at each other. However, the team leader shot one of his men with live ammo. Luckily it was not fatal. But as in the case mentioned in the article, nothing was done other than a written reprimand. Numerous members on the team lost confidence in the team leader however no one spoke up and requested or demanded that he removed himself nor did the team leader show the professionalism and Ethics to do so himself. That event occurred within the past decade and I still mentor and teach their SWAT team. And the new members who have come on board have the same lack of confidence in the then team leader now SWAT Commander. Character counts and matters. There should be a large public out cry that these officers and any other officer conducts himself in this moronic immature and risky play is not only removed from any special assignment but should be removed from the sworn position that they took an oath to uphold the standard and defend. If we allow the decay of these things, you cannot get upset when the Foundation eventually crumbles.
Whenever I do dry fire practice with my TitanX laser pistol, the 14 year old dog I rescued from the local animal shelter immediately leaves the room. I've wondered why, since I've never pointed the laser anywhere near her. My theory is that sometime in her past, someone scared her with something similar.
That may be so. I happen to think that instinctively dogs and perhaps all animals know to "leave the room" when they see a gun raised in a man's hand. I've had my dogs from puppies and they don't like seeing a handgun being raised in my hand. I dry firer at home and the very first time they say me dry fire they walked out of the room. My wife's Chihuahua growls and shows his teeth when I raise my fist at him, but he's a Chihuahua. He doesn't like me and I don't like him either. LOL.
I have been on church security teams for years. I have never seen horse play like this when I was around. One guy did drop his firearm in the pastor's office years ago and it didn't go off. He apologized and said he was using a new holster. It was not pointed at me when it hit the floor, thank God!
Thanks for sharing. This is sad, they broke the rules. So thankful that there was no loss of life. Praying that they will learn from this. And that this will not be hidden and others that might think of doing something like that wouldn't.
Keith, thank you for the bare truth you share with us always. That has to be an embarrassing incident when you or anyone has a negligent discharge. I had one after cleaning one of my guns. I was in a hurry after cleaning my 45 and was putting it away in my safe. I racked it and pulled the trigger thinking it was empty and it went off. Fortunately I had it pointed down and the round went into a hard soled shoe and the floor. From that moment on. I am never in a hurry when cleaning my guns. And I always double check my guns. That was twenty years ago, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
As far as seeing horseplay at church, thank God, no I haven't seen it. My opinion is that professional or volunteer. If you haven't experienced a gun fight, some people may get complacent and get itchy fingers just to show off. As much as I hate to say the thought of pointing my laser at someone has passed my mind, but just that. A passing thought.
This beyond "horseplay," and the chief in Pasadena is an idiot for not ending their careers and sending the appropriate message. Hopefully, (unlikely) the DA files criminal charges against both of them and forces the needed, earned terminations.
Hey, Keith!
I'm so grateful for this article. It's sobering and much needed. The way you wrote it is so instructive as well as cautionary. God bless you tons! 🙏🏼❤️
That is just stupid.
Hey Keith thanks for this article 👌🏼 good stuff and the admonition to church security people. I really appreciate your work in this ministry - I was a LEO many years ago- these days I train LE Chaplains and critical response chaplains - and pastor a church . 40yrs of ministry -I need to up my level subscription. You’re doing great work Thank You - 🙏🏼 much appreciated
Same goes for children at home. Guns are not toys! And dry-fire practice is as risky as anything. ALWAYS have a safe backstop, along with all other precautions.
I was an AI for SWAT training that some newer members of Pasadena swat attended. While young and green they conducted themselves professionally. With that said the two ofc who were mentioned should be terminated. Their conduct was not just poor judgement it was reckless and demonstrated a lack of judgment and knowledge. The standard is the standard for the reason. I’m sure this is not the first incident. In fact I personally know of an incident like this that occurred at a Sheriff’s office in Southern California. However, this particular incident occurred between SWAT team members. They had been conducting sims training within a shoot House. The team leader had to depart for a while, and upon return stated that he had downloaded all his live ammunition himself. However, the RSO for the shoot House did not confirm this. The team leader and other members then began quick drawing on each other and shooting sims at each other. However, the team leader shot one of his men with live ammo. Luckily it was not fatal. But as in the case mentioned in the article, nothing was done other than a written reprimand. Numerous members on the team lost confidence in the team leader however no one spoke up and requested or demanded that he removed himself nor did the team leader show the professionalism and Ethics to do so himself. That event occurred within the past decade and I still mentor and teach their SWAT team. And the new members who have come on board have the same lack of confidence in the then team leader now SWAT Commander. Character counts and matters. There should be a large public out cry that these officers and any other officer conducts himself in this moronic immature and risky play is not only removed from any special assignment but should be removed from the sworn position that they took an oath to uphold the standard and defend. If we allow the decay of these things, you cannot get upset when the Foundation eventually crumbles.
Thanks for sharing. Absolutely, great, solid safety regulation that cannot be excused or forgotten.
Well written; truth that we should all burn into our mindset.
Whenever I do dry fire practice with my TitanX laser pistol, the 14 year old dog I rescued from the local animal shelter immediately leaves the room. I've wondered why, since I've never pointed the laser anywhere near her. My theory is that sometime in her past, someone scared her with something similar.
That may be so. I happen to think that instinctively dogs and perhaps all animals know to "leave the room" when they see a gun raised in a man's hand. I've had my dogs from puppies and they don't like seeing a handgun being raised in my hand. I dry firer at home and the very first time they say me dry fire they walked out of the room. My wife's Chihuahua growls and shows his teeth when I raise my fist at him, but he's a Chihuahua. He doesn't like me and I don't like him either. LOL.
I have been on church security teams for years. I have never seen horse play like this when I was around. One guy did drop his firearm in the pastor's office years ago and it didn't go off. He apologized and said he was using a new holster. It was not pointed at me when it hit the floor, thank God!
Crazy, while you can't prevent horseplay, you can train master grip..lol
Thanks for sharing. This is sad, they broke the rules. So thankful that there was no loss of life. Praying that they will learn from this. And that this will not be hidden and others that might think of doing something like that wouldn't.
Anyone who has the proper firearms training as military & LEO know not to play with firearms.
Keith, thank you for the bare truth you share with us always. That has to be an embarrassing incident when you or anyone has a negligent discharge. I had one after cleaning one of my guns. I was in a hurry after cleaning my 45 and was putting it away in my safe. I racked it and pulled the trigger thinking it was empty and it went off. Fortunately I had it pointed down and the round went into a hard soled shoe and the floor. From that moment on. I am never in a hurry when cleaning my guns. And I always double check my guns. That was twenty years ago, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
As far as seeing horseplay at church, thank God, no I haven't seen it. My opinion is that professional or volunteer. If you haven't experienced a gun fight, some people may get complacent and get itchy fingers just to show off. As much as I hate to say the thought of pointing my laser at someone has passed my mind, but just that. A passing thought.
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Thanks for the updates on this case. Good information to have. There is always one goofball in the group, it seems.
This beyond "horseplay," and the chief in Pasadena is an idiot for not ending their careers and sending the appropriate message. Hopefully, (unlikely) the DA files criminal charges against both of them and forces the needed, earned terminations.