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Christopher Fischer's avatar

As long as the killer IS at large, and until God's ministers of vengeance do their duty, the killer is STILL a threat. And most likely, another victim will fall.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

Agree Christopher, a bit presumptive for LE to tell the community there's no threat. There is until the perp is in custody and it's verfied he/she acted alone. It's a spiritual battle also.

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Jo-Anne's avatar

Exactly.. Considering the state he was found in was a direct link to religion & totally horrific. My concern would be for the community. Praying for his poor family & community.

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Lemon Ade's avatar

May the Lord, our God, send His angels to protect His people everywhere, especially elderly and children in Jesus name.

May the peace and love of God be with the family and community. 🙏

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Holly Yordy's avatar

So well on point! Thanks for a well thought out response to fearful events, the lasting impact of a God chased life, the anger response and how to prepare to protect others. Vigilance not vendetta and above all godliness.

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Mart’s $ .02's avatar

Among other investigative activities, I’d ensure the pastor’s smartphone accounts (text & email) are secured and meticulously studied for any recent interactions with persons at odds with the pastor over issues of faith, or others who are obviously mentally / emotionally / spiritually disturbed. May the Lord comfort the pastor’s family & friends.

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Keith's avatar

2 Timothy 3:12–14

[12] Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, [13] while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. [14] But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it (ESV)

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Ted Leslie's avatar

Would not be surprised if this was a faith based attack. Sure seems like a message was being sent not just a home invasion burglary that caught an occupant off guard and taken out.

Judgement day will come for all.

Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it[a] to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” Romans 12:19

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James Mecham's avatar

Swift sure justice upon the murderers.

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vincenzo4's avatar

BRIEF INTELLIGENCE ANALYSIS

Some analysis through hypotheses. Understanding the indicators in heavily guarded media release of the reported state of the body. The crucifix position, hands “pinned” to the wall indicates he was on back mimicking Jesus. Some indicators of probable, pre death torture perhaps, or that he fought his attacker(s). Paul was crucified in an inverted position.

Crucifixion murder is also a TTP of not only Islam, but of Islam trained Mexican Drug Trafficking Organizations. Hizb’allah, and others figure prominently in Mexico training them both torture and intelligence interrogation and arcane ways of murder to send a message. It is possible Pastor was confronted or followed home when he saw something he should not have seen, such as trafficked children, terrorist movement north from the border on foot which he took in, fed and prayed over unknowingly. He is also associated with truck repair business IVO Phoenix which be related to my last few statements.

Equally, this could have been Santa Muerte or a domestic Satanic Cult. The last two are a victim of sexual molestation from his past (low confidence) or road rage with a murder suspect on the loose. The location is exceptionally desert-rural, no quick ingress or egress by major trafficways to rapidly avoid a police encounter or at least delay it.

In my analysis, first, church security, the elements of executive protection are present. This means the security of the clergy as the principal. The residence, its physical security and hardening delay to an intruder. Their outward exposure in media and social networking.

Clergy official and personal Computer access, emails, phone calls and texts. Computer security the highest to detect infiltration and exfiltration personally identifiable information of clergy, congregation AND security (this has happened more than once) where names, addresses, emails, phone numbers were stolen from the computer and in the wrong hands. One of these was ISIS.

During church services or any related activity, regardless of location, Clergy must have at least one officer on them to interrupt an attack. Churches which serve and international congregation of foreign ex-pats MUST, monitor competent news media domestic and foreign, to be aware of tensions, threats to that country and terror operations including attacks and threats to their churches, and congregations. This can be also obtained by joining and monitoring NGO threat and intelligence organizations as well.

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JackGarner's avatar

Spot on, Keith.

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yoppy man's avatar

Those who serve Satan and remain unrepentant and unforgiven by Jesus Christ will receive their just recompense for their evil deeds. May this pastor's family, friends, and church members receive comfort during this difficult time.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. - Revelation 20

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JackGarner's avatar

Amen.

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Edward Schoolcraft's avatar

The killer is no longer a threat. Don't ask me how I know.

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JackGarner's avatar

Amen. MCSO - What Heroes Are Made Of.

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Brian's avatar

Christianity is HEAVILY under attack right now! Pastors arrested for reading the Bible in public, killed for being a Christian, and in a “Christian” nation this is the time to stand up for our rights, and beliefs.

Matthew 5:10-12 (KJV) 10 Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

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JackGarner's avatar

A lot of good people at Maricopa County Sheriff's. Believe they will get to the bottom of it. Signature of the crime looks a bit like, either a Cartel or ISIS hit (someone here illegally, if so); maybe I/m wrong, but whoever the suspect is definitely targeted the Pastor to make a big statement. Signature doesn't seem to deem any local dispute; this one was no "Once Upon A Time In The West". Remote soft targets are what ISIS, Hamas, or the PLO would do, terrorists all the same.

Don't know for sure, but pattern, combined with all that our Christian Warrior has long been warning US All of may now be upon US. Just something to think about.

You're a good man Keith; God Bless you Brother. Blessed Are The Peacemakers.

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