Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Gary Kong's avatar

As a retired cop I don't like to second guess other cops' actions and having been a cop under the auspices of the 9th Circus Court of Appeals I'm familiar with the court's leanings. What I took away from this is that having rounds taken in the back was a persuading image ... although we all know that this can happen under fully legit deadly force situations. It just sounds horrible to the unfamiliar, man was "shot in the back" and he was "only" carrying a baseball bat. I can hear the plaintiff's lawyers now, making him sound like a kid coming from baseball practice and walking away from the officer.

What I'd share with the security team at my church is a re-emphasis that if the suspect is not posing an IMMINENT threat that security may benefit by containing or otherwise stalling the suspect as we presume local LEOs are enroute. In this case, less lethal was attempted but failed. My church security carries less lethal but I find that use of force training emphasizes lethal force (pistol) training and I may suggest they train/practice contact-OODA Loop-incremental escalation of use of force (commands, less lethal, 2nd OODA, lethal). The head of our church security ministry is very serious about continuous learning and improvement so I will make some recommendations.

THANK YOU, Mr. Graves, for your dedication to this discipline. You and I may have crossed paths professionally in the past, I worked across the bay from you and retired as a Lt. in 2005. Be well, stay safe. Blessings.

Expand full comment
Douglas V Lake's avatar

Thank you for writing this up. Yah calls us to have discernment and honor Him and His ways. It is easier to prepare than to deal with problems of you hadnt.

Expand full comment
23 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?