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Gary Kong's avatar

I retired as a lieutenant out of a Bay Area (California) agency. I assisted many church, school, and corporate security groups over the years. My input was to try to use the ammo the local law enforcement uses. Here's why:

- If you use ammo deemed "hotter" than what the local LEOs get issued, some plaintiff's lawyer (or even your local D.A.) can and will bring that up, that you were using "killer ammunition so powerful that even the police don't use it."

- The ballistics and reliability of the local LEOs ammo will have been tested, gone through a vetting process and that information should be readily available to you.

- Most agencies use a pretty decent round, so don't be concerned about lack of stopping power

- Consider getting a copy of the local LE's ROEs / use of force policy. Again, your security team's UOF policy should avoid being pointed out by a lawyer as "more aggressive than the police policy." It may bite you in court. Be sure to have the church's legal advisor / risk management / insurance carrier know what your ROEs are so they can't deny coverage if things go south.

- In a real world incident what might be considered a "good shooting" by a police officer will be, under identical circumstances, be held to a higher standard and greater scrutiny if it involves a civilian or licensed security officer. Shouldn't be, but that's the reality in many courts.

Be well, stay safe.

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Guy Miner's avatar

At my PD we had a close range shooting. Bad guy was shooting a 380, and fortunately missed everyone. Officer fired a single 230 grain Federal bonded hollow point which went through the bad guy's chest, pretty much destroying everything and stopping him instantly. The expanded 45 bullet was recovered sitting on the couch cushion beyond. It had almost no energy left after taking out the suspect. I thought that was a fine example of what a defensive bullet should do.

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