This one is hard one to believe the M18 and M17 have a manual safety. I’d have to look at the internals to be sure to see that the safety is integrated with the FSU. I have a 320 x five legion I really don’t carry just because it’s a heavy pistol but I’ve never had any issues with it.
watching all the videos of guys pulling the trigger back x distance in order to make it UD is insanity. My M17's safety won't let the trigger move back that far. So regardless of what Keith says about the safety, it keeps the trigger from entering the danger zone.
I find it very odd that every time one these mysterious Uncommanded Discharges takes place there is never any proof that it actually happened. Sig Sauer has ran multiple tests, not once has there ever been an uncommanded discharge. On a personal note: I have carried the same P320 since 2017 on duty, off duty, shot in the neighborhood of 1500 rounds through it on the range in every kind of configuration you can think of…duty holster, off duty holster, appendix and ISB side carry, with a WML and now a Holosun red dot, and not once has the firearm mysteriously discharged without pulling the trigger. Until, there is substantial unmitigated truth to this phenomenon, then I will continue carrying the weapon.
I live in Milwaukee. At great expense they switched to the Glock 45 after these two incidents, and other departments incidents, and reviewing the lawsuits out there. At some point the juice just ain’t worth the squeeze.
I watched the video you sent me. Once again, I am not convinced this is not a holster issue…here’s my reasoning. There are hundreds of P320’s sitting in safes all over the world, and none of them have fired an uncommanded round. All of these incidents have required a human element; whether this be something lodged in the holster prior to holstering the firearm or as one foreign object getting the holster after it was secured? Or someone placing their finger on the trigger, then not owning up to it….I do not know. But one thing is for sure that I do know, is the P320 is being demonized, whether this is intentional by another gun company, again, I don’t know. But the P365, the Sig Sauer Legion series all virtually have the same identical Fire Control Unit as the P320. So until I see some data that undoubtedly proves the firearm did an uncommanded discharge, I’m going to remain skeptical.
Yes it is different, but virtually the same, I should know, I have both the 320, the 365, and the M17, when I clean my firearm, I remove the FCU, clean it and replace it, including a function check. The only incidents that have been reported all have a human element. I’m sure Milwaukee PD has not by their decision lightly; however, as I have shared before, not only is the P320 the sidearm of the US Military, but also of Texas DPS, and when you consider the totality of circumstances, that’s a whole lot of trust. I trust my Sig and I trust my ability.
Just FYI, Sig Sauer has just put out a statement, the Michigan State Police, has just issued P320, and P365 as their backup, ICE issues the P320 to their officers, and the M18 / M17 are still in use in our military. Texas DPS signed a new contract and troopers are all getting new M17’s. The testing done thus far shows the pistol cannot fire without pulling the trigger. Therefore, unless you have witnessed this first hand, you are mistaken. I feel confident the Air Force Security Squadron will resume its training with the M18. Go to Sig Sauer and read up on their statement.
If only it was the only one. First we don’t know what is alleged in the way of negligence but lets assume it was an attempt to cover his ass as he knew about the pistol and the un commanded discharges. It changes nothing. Plenty of other cases with witnesses. Videos etc. Time will tell but I am not touching the one I have for carry. Way too many fish in the sea for me to take a chance on that one anymore. You do you but as my grandmother used to say “something is rotten in Denmark”
I have to hand it to you, deny everything, admit to nothing, make counter accusations!! As said, over and over again, there’s a human element and there is also more evidence in the mill of other companies conducting corporate sabotage, I think I’ve brought that to your attention as well. I will do me and my Sig P320 is a solid firearm, hasn’t failed me yet! And I’m rough on it!!
I have a Sig 320X Compact 6-7 magazines, 2 vedder holsters gathering dust. I carried them on and off for over a year and a half before I first read about several lawsuits and incident details. My blood ran cold. I don’t know how a thousand bucks worth mags, guns and holsters is worth the liability and danger. Too many other similar proven platforms out there. I own plenty of other guns to carry. Obviously the flaw is not in every pistol. The right circumstances also play into it as well. The company will never admit it. I suspect stacked tolerances are the problem. Google it.
Keith - You said it best a few months ago. “Where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire. Lots of smoke. Unfortunately. And I have Sigs -
Glock 19 for church. It works. No one is carrying P320’s although a curious what our Sheriff Bianco is thinking. Many of our Deputies carry Sigs - not sure on the Duty Models.
I miss my Sig P250 hammer fired previous version to the P320. Traded it in for a P320, which is now a safe queen and I can't sell it because I don't want the responsibility of someone getting hurt !
Please post a legitimate link to this "news" story. You can't. Unless you want to claim Soldier of Fortune magazine as "legitimate". A leaked "memo"....that says essentially nothing about the details. And you go off errornet rumors. Good grief. Clearly your forte was handing out speeding tickets and never doing any real investigations. I would urge you to do some critical THINKING. I know you are capable.
if you come on here to belittle me, I have to ask why you even follow Christian warrior to begin with? If you don’t like the information you could always keep scrolling. I know you love defending the P320, but you should be careful about slandering a great career. I think the Bible talks about that somewhere. Instead of spending all of this time being angry, how about you open up your Bible and do some Bible study. I’ll pray for your brother.
Keith, I am not here to belittle you. Far from it. As you very well know. I have made that clear in private communications with you. I admire what you are trying to do. I do not admire your lack of seeking truth when it comes to this issue however. And I am very far from being angry. I just find it sad and actually ludicrous that you are taking the tack of....let us say "sub-optimal" errornet content, rather than intellectual investigative curiousity. Your readers deserve better than that and I KNOW you can deliver better than that. Whatever haplened to collecting evidence and examination of facts to determine truth. Not rumors. Not heresay. Not ad hominem attacks against inanimate objects or companies? That's the way of agenda driven Leftists, not men of honor and seekers of truth. Taken to its conclusion, this is the kind of thing that leads to hatered of police officers and defund the police movements. And attacks on the church body/Christians as a whole because of the acts of a few bad apples. I would urge you to think about that. As for your prayers, I welcome them. I need them. And I will likewise pray for you and all brothers that are trying to do what we can to defend our beloved.
Interesting to me that they are issuing the M4 in place. That's not exactly even apples to oranges. I don't own, nor will I probably ever own, an Sig P320, but it's hard not to follow the issue. I will say that EVERY SINGLE video I've seen of discharges on its own is in backpack without a holster, or in a cluttered pocket perhaps in a holster. I've seen the results of dozens of tests, and it doesn't seem to me that the gun won't discharge without the trigger being pulled. That being said, perhaps it is easier to manipulate the trigger with some sort of foreign object than with other systems. I appreciate you keeping us up to date on this issue.
I think clarity is in order. The older P320's have had no incidents of A.D.
It's after a production year (and I don't recall off hand) that all the reported issues began. Yes, I possess an older P320 and have had no issues. I carried a P226 for duty for 23 years. Loved it.
I think clarity is in order. The older P320's have had no incidents of A.D.
It's after a production year (and I don't recall off hand) that all the reported issues began. Yes, I possess an older P320 and have had no issues. I carried a P226 for duty for 23 years. Loved it.
I think clarity is in order. The older P320's have had no incidents of A.D.
It's after a production year (and I don't recall off hand) that all the reported issues began. Yes, I possess an older P320 and have had no issues. I carried a P226 for duty for 23 years. Loved it.
This one is hard one to believe the M18 and M17 have a manual safety. I’d have to look at the internals to be sure to see that the safety is integrated with the FSU. I have a 320 x five legion I really don’t carry just because it’s a heavy pistol but I’ve never had any issues with it.
watching all the videos of guys pulling the trigger back x distance in order to make it UD is insanity. My M17's safety won't let the trigger move back that far. So regardless of what Keith says about the safety, it keeps the trigger from entering the danger zone.
I find it very odd that every time one these mysterious Uncommanded Discharges takes place there is never any proof that it actually happened. Sig Sauer has ran multiple tests, not once has there ever been an uncommanded discharge. On a personal note: I have carried the same P320 since 2017 on duty, off duty, shot in the neighborhood of 1500 rounds through it on the range in every kind of configuration you can think of…duty holster, off duty holster, appendix and ISB side carry, with a WML and now a Holosun red dot, and not once has the firearm mysteriously discharged without pulling the trigger. Until, there is substantial unmitigated truth to this phenomenon, then I will continue carrying the weapon.
I live in Milwaukee. At great expense they switched to the Glock 45 after these two incidents, and other departments incidents, and reviewing the lawsuits out there. At some point the juice just ain’t worth the squeeze.
https://youtu.be/HODW0F4eXmo?si=yGlxiVarWnsizFKo
I watched the video you sent me. Once again, I am not convinced this is not a holster issue…here’s my reasoning. There are hundreds of P320’s sitting in safes all over the world, and none of them have fired an uncommanded round. All of these incidents have required a human element; whether this be something lodged in the holster prior to holstering the firearm or as one foreign object getting the holster after it was secured? Or someone placing their finger on the trigger, then not owning up to it….I do not know. But one thing is for sure that I do know, is the P320 is being demonized, whether this is intentional by another gun company, again, I don’t know. But the P365, the Sig Sauer Legion series all virtually have the same identical Fire Control Unit as the P320. So until I see some data that undoubtedly proves the firearm did an uncommanded discharge, I’m going to remain skeptical.
The 365 fire control unit is different and nobody has claimed it’s not.
Yes it is different, but virtually the same, I should know, I have both the 320, the 365, and the M17, when I clean my firearm, I remove the FCU, clean it and replace it, including a function check. The only incidents that have been reported all have a human element. I’m sure Milwaukee PD has not by their decision lightly; however, as I have shared before, not only is the P320 the sidearm of the US Military, but also of Texas DPS, and when you consider the totality of circumstances, that’s a whole lot of trust. I trust my Sig and I trust my ability.
Just FYI, Sig Sauer has just put out a statement, the Michigan State Police, has just issued P320, and P365 as their backup, ICE issues the P320 to their officers, and the M18 / M17 are still in use in our military. Texas DPS signed a new contract and troopers are all getting new M17’s. The testing done thus far shows the pistol cannot fire without pulling the trigger. Therefore, unless you have witnessed this first hand, you are mistaken. I feel confident the Air Force Security Squadron will resume its training with the M18. Go to Sig Sauer and read up on their statement.
Good to know the company says there is no problem. Because if there was a problem it would probably bankrupt the company wouldn’t it.
Michael guess what, I told you there was more to this than the gun mysteriously going off inside a holster! https://concealednation.org/2025/08/arrest-made-in-death-of-airman-at-f-e-warren-afb-involving-sig-sauer-m18-p320/
If only it was the only one. First we don’t know what is alleged in the way of negligence but lets assume it was an attempt to cover his ass as he knew about the pistol and the un commanded discharges. It changes nothing. Plenty of other cases with witnesses. Videos etc. Time will tell but I am not touching the one I have for carry. Way too many fish in the sea for me to take a chance on that one anymore. You do you but as my grandmother used to say “something is rotten in Denmark”
I have to hand it to you, deny everything, admit to nothing, make counter accusations!! As said, over and over again, there’s a human element and there is also more evidence in the mill of other companies conducting corporate sabotage, I think I’ve brought that to your attention as well. I will do me and my Sig P320 is a solid firearm, hasn’t failed me yet! And I’m rough on it!!
I have a Sig 320X Compact 6-7 magazines, 2 vedder holsters gathering dust. I carried them on and off for over a year and a half before I first read about several lawsuits and incident details. My blood ran cold. I don’t know how a thousand bucks worth mags, guns and holsters is worth the liability and danger. Too many other similar proven platforms out there. I own plenty of other guns to carry. Obviously the flaw is not in every pistol. The right circumstances also play into it as well. The company will never admit it. I suspect stacked tolerances are the problem. Google it.
Keith - You said it best a few months ago. “Where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire. Lots of smoke. Unfortunately. And I have Sigs -
Glock 19 for church. It works. No one is carrying P320’s although a curious what our Sheriff Bianco is thinking. Many of our Deputies carry Sigs - not sure on the Duty Models.
I miss my Sig P250 hammer fired previous version to the P320. Traded it in for a P320, which is now a safe queen and I can't sell it because I don't want the responsibility of someone getting hurt !
All firearms can hurt people.
Thanks for the update !
You are quite welcome sir!
Proverbs 14:15 – The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps.
Please post a legitimate link to this "news" story. You can't. Unless you want to claim Soldier of Fortune magazine as "legitimate". A leaked "memo"....that says essentially nothing about the details. And you go off errornet rumors. Good grief. Clearly your forte was handing out speeding tickets and never doing any real investigations. I would urge you to do some critical THINKING. I know you are capable.
if you come on here to belittle me, I have to ask why you even follow Christian warrior to begin with? If you don’t like the information you could always keep scrolling. I know you love defending the P320, but you should be careful about slandering a great career. I think the Bible talks about that somewhere. Instead of spending all of this time being angry, how about you open up your Bible and do some Bible study. I’ll pray for your brother.
Keith, I am not here to belittle you. Far from it. As you very well know. I have made that clear in private communications with you. I admire what you are trying to do. I do not admire your lack of seeking truth when it comes to this issue however. And I am very far from being angry. I just find it sad and actually ludicrous that you are taking the tack of....let us say "sub-optimal" errornet content, rather than intellectual investigative curiousity. Your readers deserve better than that and I KNOW you can deliver better than that. Whatever haplened to collecting evidence and examination of facts to determine truth. Not rumors. Not heresay. Not ad hominem attacks against inanimate objects or companies? That's the way of agenda driven Leftists, not men of honor and seekers of truth. Taken to its conclusion, this is the kind of thing that leads to hatered of police officers and defund the police movements. And attacks on the church body/Christians as a whole because of the acts of a few bad apples. I would urge you to think about that. As for your prayers, I welcome them. I need them. And I will likewise pray for you and all brothers that are trying to do what we can to defend our beloved.
Hopefully someone will eventually explain how the unintended discharges are occurring? Meanwhile, I'm not in the market for a P320.
And now an airman was arrested for giving false statements, interfering with an investigation....yup. The human factor is revealed.
Are we going to see a update?
https://open.substack.com/pub/miguelgg/p/and-now-is-a-stake-through-the-heart?r=16oqc&utm_medium=ios
Interesting to me that they are issuing the M4 in place. That's not exactly even apples to oranges. I don't own, nor will I probably ever own, an Sig P320, but it's hard not to follow the issue. I will say that EVERY SINGLE video I've seen of discharges on its own is in backpack without a holster, or in a cluttered pocket perhaps in a holster. I've seen the results of dozens of tests, and it doesn't seem to me that the gun won't discharge without the trigger being pulled. That being said, perhaps it is easier to manipulate the trigger with some sort of foreign object than with other systems. I appreciate you keeping us up to date on this issue.
Are all Sig P320 malfunctioning or just the older ones? Is the P320 X compact malfunctioning also ?
all 320’s. Every model of 320. Even the compact.
Mine haven't.
Okay thank you
I think clarity is in order. The older P320's have had no incidents of A.D.
It's after a production year (and I don't recall off hand) that all the reported issues began. Yes, I possess an older P320 and have had no issues. I carried a P226 for duty for 23 years. Loved it.
I think clarity is in order. The older P320's have had no incidents of A.D.
It's after a production year (and I don't recall off hand) that all the reported issues began. Yes, I possess an older P320 and have had no issues. I carried a P226 for duty for 23 years. Loved it.
I think clarity is in order. The older P320's have had no incidents of A.D.
It's after a production year (and I don't recall off hand) that all the reported issues began. Yes, I possess an older P320 and have had no issues. I carried a P226 for duty for 23 years. Loved it.